Exactly, soulhuntre... When I first picked up the program, to be honest, I called Steve Cooper and started to tell him what for... He calmly and politely said, "What build do you have?" I gave him the build number. He said, "Well, I agree those are all problems, and I doubt you'd be having them if you had the current build. I'll send you a Candidate to check out tomorrow." He did. He was right. I felt like an ass. I fekt like an ass because I hadn't expected a production tool, I'd expected P4 with perquisites. I hadn't expected bugs, but I was using an old beta version. I'd like to spare others from feeling like asses. There are bugs with everything. Smaller the company, better the product, more bugs. Pretty simple, really. The software is usable, and is powerful, and will be everything you want and more, I promise. What the software is not, is a "hobbyist's toy." No more so than 3ds max, IMO. Knowing the difference between a bug and inexperience is hard, especially when you have your hopes set high. I think if a person has a problem, they should take a minute, calm down ( I know you're upset, I am too, sometimes ) and post it in the forums. If you post that you think something is a bug and it is, CL will see and add it to the list for the first patch, or someone like me or Jeff will happen by and show you how to fix it. On the other hand, if you scream doom and horror and "die, Poser, die!" and you're WRONG, you're probably gonna look and feel a bit stupid if we happen by and tell you so. ;) Paul