Actually, LD, Anton figured it out, and it's not a problem with the rendering engine, it's a problem with the way every character has been built for Poser... Basically, the meshes have all made the nostrils out to be basically cylinders, but a real nostril doesn't do that. If you put your finger in your nose... heehee... tutorials that involve nosepicking are always fun... You'll find that there are ridges around the bottom of the nostril on the inside which create the proper shadowing. As I understand things, Vicky 3 will not have glowing nostrils, as Anton has redesigned her schnoz to accomodate. I guess this only goes to show that of the many things modelers and poser users may be called, we'll never be called nosepickers, otherwise we'd have figured it out long before now, eh? Great work on that, Anton! Paul