While my cash reserves builds up I am using Poser 5 on a 466 with only 128 MB of Ram. [yea, I know this is much too low a system and except for the Mdragon with all it's maps [I reduced the maps to half resolution and that worked] I have been able to use Poser 4 fine. I usually only use one character with a few props.] While some features like cloth calculations and rendering is slow to impossible, I have been able to play with the other features like the face room and materials and even the hair. I do plan on upgrading this old computer soon but it is good to know I can learn Poser 5 meanwhile. Of course I may go completely gray or bald meanwhile! ;) Lynn