Before the release of P5, I think everybody got themselves all excited about the upcoming new features and it never occurred to people that you don't get that kind of power without paying the price. Poser is no longer the low-end, simple program that it used to be. It's now much more complicated. It requires a cleaner, more powerful system. It's more expensive (although the upgrade price wasn't too bad). It takes much more time to learn. Worst of all, for some people, is that they can't take their already vast knowledge of the intricacies of the Poser 4 program and start being "brilliant" with Poser 5 right away. They have to go back to square one and relearn the software and its new quirks. The only thing that remains the same is that for the price, Poser still delivers more bang for the buck than any 3D software out there. In time, all the complainers will go away or pipe down, and the stalwarts will press on, and Curious Labs will fix the inevitable (few) bugs and life will continue. I am VERY happy with this upgrade. With it, I will be able to do things I couldn't do before and make better product than I could before. It is EXCELLENT value for the money. And, just as I did with Poser 4, I will happily work around its quirks. All this griping reminds me of when DAZ released the FREE Stephanie figure. Everybody hated it -- and now people just happily use it and you hardly hear a peep any more about how "horrible" it supposedly was. Search back through the threads to see who the complainers were. I'll bet many of them are the same ones bitching and moaning now. Some people just can't handle anything new. --jjsemp