Thanks Ron....I really would like to not bitch about this, especially without having tried to actually fix it yet...but I think with the extremely high expectations....it was just such a letdown to have this happen... I've been really excited, maybe too much so, waiting for this version of Poser..... There is no doubt, even with the problems I'm having, that this version of Poser has some spectacular features....and I haven't even reached the tip of the iceberg, let alone the main body :) I'll try to tone it down a bit....it probabably doesn't help the situation being so blatantly vocal and negative...which is probably somewhat the point Paul was trying to make.....so I'll formally apologize for being a bit too negative....but I'm just a tad frustrated at this point..... HOWEVER>>>>there is LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL....it appears by reinstalling, things are looking up...I may be speaking too soon...but I've tweaked the heck out of it so far, and have not had a crash or inadvertant windows.... Something I noticed when reinstalling...it took a longer time to install the second time than it did the first....in fact I'm writing this with poser rendering..with OE open as well...couldn't do that before.

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