I dont know how long the beta testing was and did not beta test. The only real final beta test in my humble opinion comes when the masses start getting it. Also I disagree with some statements above. Max4 was a disaster and buggy has hell. Crashed my computer so many times I quit using it until release 4.3. When LightWave 6 hit my computer took a dump. Every time I touched the exe it was freeze and the only thing that worked to get out of it was unplug. Not everybody had this problem and the fix was easy. That was a major upgrade for LW. Maya 4 was the biggest disaster I have ever seen in a 3d app. It would run for about 5 minutes and lock no matter what you did. Fixed with a patch. AOL definetly has the top spot for the most buggy program on earth. They have thousands of beta testers. I used to be one. Seven crashs on me at least ten times a day still. Windows has the reputation of being right up there with AOL even with all the programmers they have. Any of you remember when Poser4 came out? I shelved it and swore I would never use it again. P5 so far has been the least problems of any mayor program upgrade I think I have ever used. Whoops forgot a few others. Corel Draw and PhotoPaint9 was so unstable you never knew what was going to happen. Adobe I have had similar proplems with PS until patches came out. I am sorry some folks are having problems but this time I am not. Ron