Okay, I said I don't like to argue but I have to step in one last time because many of you missed (or ignored) some of my points. No, I don't expect a defective product, which is what a buggy program is. Especially a program that's been years in the making. Especially after all the promises about taking their time, making it right, and that it wouldn't be "another Poser 4." Hell, it is Poser 4! What was taking them so long? Thebert and Kuroyume: Yes most of us know about all the different hardware configurations. So does Curious Labs, who have had Poser since its inception (they invented it). You can't compare cost or size of company, either. Zbrush costs the same as Poser and and it's a small company, too. I ran it for the 30 day trial and never suffered a hiccup. Vue 4 is cheaper than Poser and e-on is a small company, too. As stated, after turning off open gl, I never suffered a lockup in it. Same with Carrara. Oh, and I forgot Rhino in my first post. Sorry, Ron, but Max 4 never froze on me either. Haven't used it in a while, though. But none of this is the reason I started this thread. I put up with all the excuses I'd read for the P5 problems until the one that blamed the users. That got me going. But, since I don't like to argue, I'll agree instead. Okay, P5 is problem-free. All you morons out there who are having problems just don't know how to run your computers. Take a class and quit bitching.