Yo, guys! I'm not offended at all, I'm happy now! I'm on the team! And Kiera, check out the last line in my first post, it says almost the same as yours. And here is a quote from Entropic's thread: "I've been going through the threads tonight in this forum, and I want to let you all know where 85% of the "bugs" I have seen are coming from: Users. Rather, Inexperienced ones." "...the overwhelming concensus was that the software was not the problem, the problem was that we all think in terms of P4. I cannot stress enough that the results are there, we simply have to relearn, and grow." (emphasis by me) But you're right, Keira, I misread what he wrote. My bad. And when you write "it isn't a good idea to assume it is a bug," you're right again. Even with my 18 years experience with software, I still can't tell a bug from my own darned stupidity! duh! Ron, thanks for saying that and you didn't offend me. Really, guys, most of this is toungue in cheek. I really am happy now...I'm sorry that, when I thought Entropic was blaming the users, I got a tad upset and posted what I saw as the truth. Now I see the error of my ways! All hail Curious Labs!