Jackson: Curious Labs had Poser since its creation? I thought that it was started by MetaCreations and then transferred to Curious Labs when MetaCreations' ship sank. See here for some info: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0004/13.poser.shtml And YOU ran ZBrush and YOU never had a hiccup. Did you talk to everybody who tried ZBrush? Did they all have error free execution? Most doubtedly. The world is neither fair nor balanced. Some developers are better than others. Some applications are simpler than others. Some design approaches are simpler or better than others. I've written one piece of flawless code in any language that I've ever used (it begins, "Hello, world"). Even with that, which is usually the simplest program ever conceived, I've seen dozens of programmers with errors and troubles, not related to their naivety with the language or programming. As you build an application, that one variable turns into thousands, tens of thousands, millions of variables. That one function (method) turns into hundreds, if not thousands, of functions. None of these live in a vacuum. The libraries and program modules all interact, variables and methods interact, and the underlying system interacts with them. Again, you might think that you have several "perfect" applications with no bugs. This is not only untrue, it is impossible. No application of sufficient size that runs on more than one static machine is perfect or without flaws and bugs (there is some mathematical proof for this). And be thankful that Poser 5 works for the most part for most people. I remember upgrading ProComm, a general communication package (dialup, web, e-mail, fax, bbs, ftp, telnet, etc), some years back. It sucked (period). It crashed, it crashed my system, it froze my system, it disabled other communication software. Obviously this was not an isolated instance as they released a "patch" (lol) several weeks later that was as large as the installation itself. IOW, they f@#ked up big time and had to practically recode their application to fix the overwhelming bugs that it shipped with. And they were a rather large software company with a large user base. Microsloth (see latest security flaws) and Apple (see 10.2 upgrade complaints) aren't as perfect either... Kuroyume

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