Heya Jeff...sorry did not change the room in mid render. About half way thru the render this is what P5 coughed on to the screen. It was a hard lockup of 2k...I have seen very few programs hard lock 2k in this way. Heya Jackson chuckle you are absolutely right. I am pulling all my Microsoft and other certifications off my office wall and using them as page markers in my P5 book ;-) I have already signed up for courses this Autumn to be certified in "Getting P5 to work on AMD cpu systems". It takes 7 tests to get this certification and the course work includes over 10,000 pages of text chuckle Is SR1 out yet ;-)