Thanks for your support WINC. I agree with you and I have been considering other software like Hash Anmation Master. Plus I still have P4, Rhino3d and Vue4 to use. So its not like Im with out software. Sure Poser 5 is a tempting new toy but its being offered under conditions I don't believe I can accept. Many people keep refering to the financial well being of CL. Why should I be concerned about a company that treats its customers like thieves. If they are not worried about me why should I worry about them. Cybermonk new member of the Evil thinkers club. :)

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