Maybe I should start a 'Sign up here if your poser 5 HASN'T crashed' thread and see if I get any responses. I'm beginning to doubt if I'd get that many. Not only that, the reasons for the crashes are so varied and the hardware specs generally so high, that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. The way it looks from here, I'm scared to install the dratted thing when it does arrive. Whoever heard of being scared of software?? mac