Well you are being told to change the lines in the obj file. All Ls to Fs. It will not look right. Sharen here is the problem with hair. This is with all top end apps. If you were to actually make it an obj the file would be huge! 2 million plus polys for the hair. How do I know I have done it. What does that mean? Rendering times for a single frame take forever. Poser would choke as most others apps do. Other apps use this magic. We are talking about files that can be up to 100mb. Thats just the hair. So some brilliant folks came out with magic an illusion. Its not really a mesh/model in the classical since. Its like Bryce. Incredible abilities but not real models. For example the booleans there. There just mathmatical magic. He is also telling you that the true thing you get is the hair guides. Ron