Point taken Phoenix...just telling woulda done it...:) But Legume, I do think that the very fact that they ARE "warez kiddies" means they DO know, they just haven't found it yet. They come in here asking because they're lazy warez kiddies, and because of that stupidity factor...they think it's another group of ppl like them...lol Like I said, it all comes down to will the ppl here pay for it, and we will. What Vairesh was saying was no point kidding ourselves....after the crack, the program will be coming right along. It still rains outside, whether you look out and discuss it or not. Beav