"Thanks for your comments - I am trying very hard to not shoot from the hip and just present information which is true (or my honest opinion of the situation)" It shows, and I'm glad conversations are going down this path. :) "Yes warez is out there - and I feel for any company trying to battle against this. As a budding programmer myself (and moving into Internet Programming for Webpages) I totally understand the issues arond copyright and warez. However... ANY software or hardware protection that causes the user problems, or could present problems to the final-user is a FAILED copyprotection!" I can't totally agree with this. Every protection scheme causes some level of inconvenience that could be perceived as a "problem". Even if it's just "hey I broke my CD!" or "I lost the paper with the code!". I've got to agree with Tempus (who also had an excellent post) that the majority of cases seem to be that the registration is working fine. Not to ignore the cases where it doesn't!! but the majority is going fine. "Personally - if they presented a hardware dongle version in which you could use the hardware dongle - I would spend the extra amount of money for piece of mind and security. I personally would rather see a Safedisc type protection on the CD which would prevent most amatuer copies from being made (ie - a 1 to 1 copy on Safedisc Ver 2 is pretty hard to pull off - though again it can be)." I think yuou should start a thread about them offering a hardware dongle, even understanding about the extra cost. It's your suggestion so I don't want to steal the thunder, but it's definitely an important topic, and should be brought up in it's own thread. It sounds like a great compromise, and could really be a solution. The thing to remeber is like Tempus said... "the folks from CL are listening to you and interacting." which is a great thing. If we can support that with good ideas, I'm sure we can get results. cheers! -Josh