Josh, Sorry - jsut because a user is an idiot does't mean the protection scheme is faulty - just means the user is a idiot :) Someone loosing their CD, breaking their CD, or anything else isn't the same as the protection in which CL is forcing down our thoarts with this release. WindWalker - thanks - :) Also has anyone got the EULA for Poser 5 - I can't find it anywhere and I really want to have a very clear look at that because if dragon1 is correct CL have more then enough rights to turn around and cancel your software license just because you say something deflamnatry towards them... I don't know how it would hold up in court, but we are pretty much all hobbiests here, how many of us can take CL to court if they screw us?