Geez, wotta lotta BS in this thread - aggression and crap. Us non-Americans just shake our heads at it. You guys are SO uptight! Get a life people, go Pose instead. If DAZ starts up a competing app, fine. I'll have both. If Adobe starts starts up a competing app, fine. I'll have all 3. As long as they're price competitive with Poser and not off the deep end. I don't give a rat's ass about the quibbles between companies, I want to Pose. And Anton, you're cool, dig having you around here. :] Fish