IB, haven't you heard? The CL people are still gods; the problems with P5 are mostly caused by the users. The others are just bugs we should expect in our software. Hey, I heard someone's registration went smoothly. Don't remember who it was, tho. To clarify the poser thing: Larry Weinberg created Poser, he is now CEO of Curious Labs. Both he and Steve Cooper (and I think others at CL) worked for Metacreations before they (Meta) pulled the plug.