Whether or not "uglies" is a word, I like it! ;) I agree (I actually said this about Judy in an earlier thread), the P5 characters are not very attractive, to put it mildly. If you go to the face room, you can start with a neutral face and change it, but it seems that the dynamic hair from the library doesn't fit so well then. But I just tried it once yesterday, so maybe I'll have to experiment more (and actually read up on the hair room). The other problem is, that there aren't enough morphs to shape the eyes, nose and lips. It seems that most of the controls in the face room are for changing proportions and such in the face. I wish the DAZ characters could have been made compatible with the face room, that would have been perfect!