Well you do have points, but I hope you are not judging what you have seen us do in Poser 5, remember we are all axious and trying to learn it all fast, making mistakes along the way. To be honest I don't render that much in Poser either, but when I do I am happy to have a very detailed render at my finger tips. I guess my biggest boost, for you would be the cost, it does not cost that much to upgrade and with the things you can do with it for that cost is AMAZING (my opionion) as far as the face room, I was in there this morning thinking okay if I am not going to use it for people what do I do with it...I messed around with the morph tool, which I have never done before, even in Poser 4, and let me tell you it is out of this world, you start with the basics and you can apply texture maps that were made for Judy and Don and your faces will be endless. Remember...my opionion only. Sharen :-)