Mike, who said he knew about the bugs BEFORE it was released? What he said was they're compiling a list of bugs that they NOW know about and hopefully they'll be fixed. They're probably having a hard time seperating reports of GENUINE bugs from gripes, bitches, slams and generally nasty responses from disgruntled users who've jumped the gun and decided that P5 "doesn't work." Which is too bad, really because I think P5 has gotten a bad rap. I think its a pretty good piece of software. --jjsemp