I've spent YEARS making my Poser 4 figures and Mill figures versatile Looking at the out-of-the-box renders of D and J, I like the new joint assembly around the elbows and knees; those two features alone are long overdue. Like you, I'm on a Mac, and originally I was pretty POd that this wasn't released cross-platform. I'm still getting it, but it's nice to know the windoze folk were so nice to beta-test everything for us Mac people. :) You're certainly right about the default characters' appearance, but I suspect that's to give us more versatility, in a way. They both have plain, unordinary features, which makes them ripe for morphing work (Duane, get busy!!!). With the right morphs and textures, I'm sure we'll be able to get them looking right smart, just as we could with the P4 folk after a while. I may not know much about this program, but I still get a kick when people look at my P4 work and swear it's really Michael :).