i see what you are saying alot better than the way doc said it........and im am probably gonna get it its just i wanted to know some other things about poser5 that curious labs didnt really mention.......whats making me want to get it is the hair and dynamic clothes features but thats about it.......and im a mac user who is getting a new pc ....not that i joining the other side more like expanding my horizons (i hope i can network both of them without too many head aches)...........im just like any other buyer....... having questions before i buy............ but there seems to be more pros than cons in my case.............but i think im still gonna hold off for a few weeks beefore i buy to see what members do with poser 5.......thanks for your input lalverson