Just some food for thought... How many warez kiddies would have bought Poser if no warez version were available? The likely answer is very few. Hyping up the so-called revenue loss due to piracy is a crutch. Elaborate, and ultimately, defeatable security measures are simply a way of assuming guilt, making legitimate users prove their legitimacy. I can understand gun-shy software producers wanting to protect their assets, but consider this: A convenience store near me is the victim of frequent shoplifting. Now, store employees will follow just about anyone who comes in, legitimate or not. I used to go there quite a bit, as it was on my way to and from work. Finally, I got tired of being shadowed, and decided a Circle K down the street would be the recipients of my business. My bottom line here is, I will not be getting Poser 5 until this nonsense is done away with. I will be looking very eagerly towards DAZ's project, and hope they'll learn from CL's folly. Jon