steve, I think it would be a benefit if you and the folks at CL would tell the folks here the full story of how difficult it has been making this program. Ive tried again and again to say that CL needed some cash, but I dont think it's ever fully registered with them the degree of the necessity. Anyhow, even tho I havent bought p5 yet (but I am going to very soon!) I want to personally thank you and all at CL for your hard work and dedication in getting the program out..even when cash flow was at a bare minimum. How many users here would have such dedication. Methinks that when you have the time, you should post a bit about the struggle somewhere (perhaps your site?) of making p5 a reality. again Thanks! BT