I haven't yet purchased P5 & have no immediate plans to do so. When pro pack was introduced security messures were discussed & abandoned, then CL cried foul becuase pro pack was heavily pirated. Yet they themselves distributed a crack in the form of an error with an update (I could be wrong on this one, I don't have 1st hand knowledge of this, but I remember seeing it mentioned here before) I personally did not buy PPP because I don't need it, the only feature that remotely interested me was the setup room. Using the demo I played around a bit with it & all I could do with it was as a shortcut to editing exisiting .cr2s to point to new meshes. the creation of new bones is beyond my meager abilities. I wasn't going to spend over $100 for that. How many people really have a need for pro pack? It was not designed for hobbyist like myself. As for what interests me about P5? 1. The new figures don't appeal to me much, I have too much of an investment in Mike & Vicky (As far as I can tell they are better figures to start with) 2. The face room only works with the P5 figures so forget that. 3. Texture creation with P5 - might be fun for a time, but I doubt it's long term usefulness. 4. Hair system - same a texture creation, the sacrafice of render time to quaility images is to high. waiting to see what people come up with by combining old hair props & textures with subtle hair growth. 5. Firefly rendering - haven't really decided yet 6. dynamic cloth - interesting & waiting to see more about it 7. multiple runtime folders - right now the biggest draw for me. Has anyone tried to use libraries on CD-R? I would love to burn theme libraries & save space on the ole HD. As it stands now I would pay up to $50 for P4 plug-in for this. (can you guess what I put on the P5 wish list?) My money will stay mine until I can see P5 being an asset to me instead of a hassle. I will wait until someone uses it successfully on a lower end machine like mine. I will wait for a demo. The Demo is what convince me to buy (and at the time I had to search for a copy for sale. It was when metacreations went down & curious labs wasn't ready yet)