Hey farang... I was going to post after I saw you post this but I thought to myself, nahh, why bother. I was just going to tell you that you're wasting your breath - no matter how much you're right or wrong. The people here in this forum have already made up their minds concerning this copy protection and NOTHING you say will change their minds. I'd venture to say that if you brought up 100% verifiable facts they would still say that these "so-called" facts were skewed and that they were right no matter what. Essentially it doesn't matter. Considering what I've seen here in this forum - images and comments posted by enthusiastic users - Poser 5 is a success and after the mojority of bugs are fixed, CL will begin work on Poser 6 in earnest. In a previous post, Steve Cooper said that he and many of the staff went without pay for a time - they sacrificed quite a bit to get this software to us. YES, because they wanted to make money (hey, don't we all?) but also because they believed in the software. Poser 5 is an incredible package. And YES, it has bugs - and Steve Cooper explained the reasons about those as well. All software has bugs. And to those who are saying "but you shouldn't expect bugs" - get real. Of course I expect bugs. With the sophistication of software today, I can't believe that there is any software program (of substance) that doesn't have them. Hey willf - ever go into a department store with cameras? Do you think the cameras are for YOU? Of course not, you're honest. But to some people that feels like the store is treating them like criminals. They don't trust ME? Well screw them! Anyway farang - sorry I decided to post anyway. I agree essentially with what you've said. My advice? Don't post anything more about copy protection - you'll only receive negative comments! :) Good Luck & enjoy Poser 5.