From the dictionary: spoil v. spoiled, or spoilt (spoilt) spoiling, spoils v. tr. 1. To impair the value or quality of. 2. To damage irreparably; ruin. 3. To impair the completeness, perfection, or unity of; flaw grievously: spoiled the party. 4. To do harm to the character, nature, or attitude of by oversolicitude, overindulgence, or excessive praise. (See Synonyms at "pamper.") Archaic. To plunder; despoil. To take by force. Mabfairyqueen, My use of the word was the fourth definition. I think we have been "overindulged" and we expect too much. Our attitude needs fixing. Spoiled is synonymous with "pampered." Poser 5 is just a little piece of software from a little company that pretty much delivers what its worth. If I'd paid thousands of dollars for it, I'd be pissed. But I didn't. Most of us only paid under $150 for it and that's just about right. And we still have P4 to use if we want, so we're still getting good value out of what we've paid prior to P5. I find it funny when people complain loudly about the software and then reveal that they haven't bought it yet. How weird. But rather than simply continue the arguing, I will offer a constructive suggestion. Why doesn't Curious Labs offer to give people their money back if they're unsatisfied? Then maybe things might quiet down around here. What say you to that, King Kupa? --jjsemp