You know, when Turtle first started out, she was no better or worse than any of us. We all had our teething period and if we were lucky, we had some people offer us some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I was one who offered Turtle some advice, and a few others here as well. To my own mind I feel several of them have now surpassed my own abilities, and I revel at each new piece I see them post, almost as if I am a pseudo-surrogate father to their creations. One thing I have always felt about art is that the creator of the piece is probably very proud of their creation. As the saying goes, "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like". I can take or leave what I see posted here. I don't like everything I see, I probably don't even open more than one or two pics per page. But when I see something that someone has obviously put some work into, and especially when I see they have put some heart and soul into, I will probably leave a comment. Sometimes helpful, always curteous, never disrespectful. Shonner, you may think that Turtle's work is overdone and needs a change, that's your opinion. Her's is not the most realistic art here, neither is mine, neither is yours. Personally, until I feel I can light a candle to someone like Voodoo and Toxic Angel, I KNOW I can stand some improvement. We can all grow. If you have a suggestion, make it. To criticise without a solution is sophmoric.