Eric...I have to totally agree with your tribute. So many CEOs these days are distant and give vague promises at best as to when their particular software packages will ever be fixed to meet the users needs. Most of the time you cant even talk to them, cause they are too busy being important. Steve and Co are not like this and we do appreciate it, he's kept Clabs as a cottage industry and we appreciate this also and recognize that it's a rare thing in the fast paced world of software development. Congratulations Steve and all the crew at CLabs...Poser 5 is a wonderful program, we all wish you much success. Cheers Harvey Mann