what did he say ;-). Actually in this case. The problem is people don't know how to set up the JP's and what rotation orders to use. The tail figure will pose fairly well without using any curve options. In addition to that. The center axis needs to be rotated for this particular figure because the parts are at an angle. I understand what you mean about the curve characteristics. But these people are having trouble with the basics. Looks like I'm gonna have to write a JP tutorial. It's getting pretty frustrating watching people struggle to do such simple tasks. ScottA