but that changed, too. Give the new renderer a chance. Once >people have read and understood the manual and applied the >patches, it should look pretty good. Nothing personal, but I think this is BS. A good renderer should render well even at default settings. Any "finessing" should be for some really stunning movie quality results, not just for decent render results. Not having worked with the rendering engine myself I wont be able to speak on it too much, but I can say that I have yet to be impressed by any images I've seen so far. Most figures still have a plastic dusty sort of look to them. People bitch about Maya's rendering engine yet it is still of high enough quality to be used for television and major motion pictures. Firefly is a far cry from that. I agree completely with budgie on this one. And I would add that a late P5 for Mac delivery really locks the Mac users out of the Poser market. There are limited products that can be in that pipeline and most of them will be in place by the time a Mac user get's their hands on the program, much less learns it. And in the mean time this decision could impact people that were earning significant part of their income from Poser content sales.