Ah. I see... Doh! You gets punchy after awhile here. ;] Not a colloquialism from my end of the country Scott, but we do have the "dance with the bull - get the horns" phrase. ;] Another one is "it'll all come out in the warsh". So will all this in the end - it'll work out and CL will make good, or it won't and they wont. That's all I was saying: save the praise and the kudos for after the patches and fixes are delivered, not for the promises of them. Np, jj... I realise that. People here are big enough boys and girls to do whatever they're going to, and cope with it. Np. shrug That's how I buy software and hardware though: I look at ads and promos, and then I wait for independant reviews and user reviews. I look at what Tom's Hardware, VoodooExtreme, FiringSqaud and the hardcases over at MaximumPC have to say on it... if after all is said and done, it looks good, I plunk down my hard earned dollars on a new motherboard, case, card, or Cpu. Software isn't any different - except that I can generally take the hardware back to MicroCenter, TCComputing, or Fry's in 30 days if it's fucked. Software I generally cannot, so it becomes imperative to check it out first, then buy. I'm still with ShadowWind - $349 is about what I'm fixing to pay for an upgrade to a specialised renderer I use for the little pro-end work I do. It's a nice chunk of change for me, I want to know that tool will work for me. For some of the people I know here, $349 is a pretty good sum of cash to shell out.

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