ShadowWind, write down whatever you like. As I stated, I can guarantee that I could not care less. But if you want to get into a pissing contest with me by trying to twist my meaning, I can guarantee that you will lose. The troll excrement statement was in regard to those who insist on launching their flames from the cover of IMs. The statement was clear to what it meant. But then, you knew that. As for the liars and CL being "just like any other company," well, how often do executives from Jasc, Adobe, Corel, TrueSpace, Lightwave, Rhino, Animation Master, etc. come into these forums to face the heat for their actions, errors, flubs and miscues? The execs and people from CL have and do often. THAT alone makes them different. THAT alone shows evidence that they ARE different because they regard US differently. Hell, most of the other companies come in to announce a big release, make their promises and then hightail it when the bugs and problems rush in. CL did not. THAT makes them different. So you can read into THAT whatever you wish. None of this changes the fact that I am still disappointed in what we have and still more than a bit pissed. But, like I said, you give good people a chance. But, then, I'm wasting my time trying to explain that to you. As you clearly stated, you have NO SYMPATHY. That reveals quite a bit right there. And why in the hell am I wasting my time with someone who DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE FUCKING PROGRAM! CL stumbled badly with the P5 release. And if I see hesitation to make good on their promises to fix P5 or attempts to blow smoke up our asses, no one will be "rabid" in their attack than I. Nothing is more hideous than a devil dog foaming at the mouth. And if you think I am a "rabid fan of Poser" you haven't been reading the forums. I truly hope you never stumble badly in any endeavor you pursue. But if you do, I also hope you have more understanding folks surrounding you than you are. Take care and be well. casamerica