Well, IS there anything new to discuss? I won't receive my copy for 10 days or so yet, so I can't find out. But, contrary to the current mania for Firefly renders, cloth doohickies and whatnot, the first things I'll be checking are files formats, parameter groupings and a few of the unmentioned tools (like the measuring system, for example). The things the majority of the community is interested in don't really affect me, so I find a lot of the info I'm getting to be useless. If anyone can enlighten me on some of the less 'popular' aspects in advance, I'd be grateful. I don't even NEED poser 5. The reason I ordered it was plain and simple. If there's anything worthwhile in it that I can use.... I want to know about it now, not in a year's time. If not....well, I'd've ended up buying it anyway. mac