None of us even knows what sort of application DAZ has in mind. I believe one of hem said it was not planned to be a new Poser but rather something to work in conjunction with Poser. I have high hopes and will watch with interest. I believe DAZ may be a bit more in touch (than CL) with how people really use Poser and what might make things easier for us... CL omitted quite a few usability features and features that would allow more complex characters in the P5 release. Hopefully whatever they come up with will be compliment Poser well, filling in some gaps. Phoenix