"As for the liars and CL being "just like any other company," well, how often do executives from Jasc, Adobe, Corel, TrueSpace, Lightwave, Rhino, Animation Master, etc" I suggest you look at some of their company homepage forums... you will be surprised... It has become a typical business strategy for companies to have at least one of their company (Head Designer, CEO of Program development, Head Programmer, Manager of Support, or the coffee maker) communicating with their community/end-users/spammers on their forums. So what Steve does here isn't any different.... ScottA - Questor has already said he will not offer third party software here, because he does not want to derail this thread topic. I would hope you would respect that... Especially since it seems to be common practice by moderators, and die hard fans of Poser/CL to derail topics by changing the topic...