oops I almost forgot. I contacted Gerald and he says DAZ informed him that there may be copyright issues with Harry, so Harry's out of the picture for now. Darn every good idea has a brick wall around it. I'll have to contact DAZ and see what the issue is. I suspect that it's that CR2 thing again. I think it would probably be easier timewise to come up with my own morph, so I'll do that too. I only hope that I am up to it. cheers, - TJ