Daz's new vaporware program is going to be the "NEXT BIG THING," just like...er...just like P5 was going to be the "next big thing" about a month ago. I guarantee that a week after Daz releases their program, everybody will be pissed-off and angry with it. Why? Because it won't be perfect. Sara, it's too bad you're not going to get P5. You're missing all the fun. Here's a picture of Don sporting a new material on his shirt that I whipped up in the material room. It's not a texture, it's the result of tweaking around with a weave node. See? You can be a totally ignorant, non-tech person like me and still get good results. --jjsemp