Very nice, both of them. I like the lips better on the P4 render and the hair better on the FF render. Question: I thought the "Production Mode" button was just for FF and the standard P4 "Use Bump Maps," "Cast Shadows," etc check boxes were for the P4 renderer. Is that not correct? Also, in #4 above, what kind of tweaking is needed? Or is it different every time, requiring constant experimentation? (I haven't made it to the material room yet. Can't get thru the face room due to lockups. Made it thru the hair room, tho.)