I'm sorry, geep. :) I'm really just passing along what I've learned in other 3D apps that can finally be used in Poser. I'm good at learning the techniques. As for applying them, well, I won a 6th grade art contest and I bet I could STILL win a 6th grade art contest except they don't let teachers enter. :) I made a typo in the third post that changes the meaning. It ought to say "For instance you can NOW use reflections or shininess on transmapped items" rather than not. Phoenix