If you want to do organic modeling Nurbs is the best way to do it IMHO. RDS is ok, but Rhino blows it away both in sheer power and useability. If anyone is looking to buy it, you can get 1.1 for $520 at DVDirect. If you are a student, you can get it much cheaper :) MartialF: I use the Detailed controls, and the settings vary on every thing I make. Sometimes you need a high count, sometimes not. The help file explains what all of the settings do there. If your item is scaled for poser the numbers get pretty small. -Trav