wdupre... what system specs are you doing this on? That was what I was doing..4500-5000 on bottom...but after 3 groups...my system just couldn't handle it...all rendering was on the hard drive. I then scaled back to 2500...same deal...better, but not to the point I want to try and use it this way...just too slow, especially in the developement stages...using p4 renderer is better, but you don't get the same hair look, so when you do FF it may not be quite the same.... I'm going to back down as much as possible to see how it looks, but I've already noted even with layering, there are some pretty thin spots---it also looks different depending on how the light is hitting...angle, intensity, etc..and the camera angle...

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