Ah well...there you are. I avoid the grouping tool like the plague! LOL. Never could get to grips with it. I'm sure there isn't a lot of difference between the two ways of doing it. I just like uv mapper because I'm used to it. But the possiblity of adding materials to things gives a lot of extra functionality. And I find this easier in uv mapper. For example, if you take the poser cube and box map it in uvm, you can easily assign a separate material to each of the 6 sides. Can be handy if you need 6 colors on a cube, or even 6 different tex or trans maps on it. Lots of possibilities if you play with it. mac