I agree with you timoteo. I respect the fact that it will take me time to learn the hair room and the materials room to get the full effect of P5. I'm also used to encounting bugs in software but when they cause me to revert back to a previous version in order to perform the simplest tasks then something is wrong. I do have to thank CL for making it possible to leave P4 on the drive. Most upgrades I've installed before overwrite my previous installion. Lucky forsight on CL's part no?