When buying a software second hand, you have to get the handbook also. It is completely illegal to sell a software that is not 100% complete. unfortunately, not everyone remembers this. Stormrage and I put a legal (originalcd's)copy of Ray Dream Studio 5.5 and Infini-D 4.5 up in a consignment store, with manuals and all cd's. we don't use them so we selling them. in poser forum there has been big discussions about warez because of poser 5 coming out. checked some warez sites and p2p apps, found maya4.01 for linux, mac, and win, just tonight found poser 5, both cd's in .cue format. did we download? no. I'm only using linux, and maya is just about the only quality modeling app for linux right now, but still was able to resist temptation.yes, I was tempted, but I don't beleive it is worth losing everything to get it. and Canadian law AW could take all three computers if they wanted to. Stormrage wants poser 5, but she won't use warez. we'll get the money to get her poser 5 before we get it for me to get maya for linux. a few hundred is easier to get than a few thousand. we have the ple of maya, it is great to learn this complex application with, and by going this route, we also have access to AW's services for maya.( like tutorials, free content, updates ect.) worth the inconvienience of the limited copy in the long run.