While there are a number of people who are extremely anti Curious Labs at present (which can be seen clearly by some of the responses on this forum recently) I, and a number of others, do NOT want to see Curious Labs go bankrupt. I am a supporter of Poser and believe it is one of the best programs out for what it does. It is also a project which deserves the credit that its fans give it. Most of those against the present security scheme are NOT against software protection, and we are not in support of warez, or any other form of illegal copying of software. We are however against a software protection system that has a high risk of causing certain customers major problems, and has a HIGH risk of rendering the software unusable if the worse should happen to Curious Labs. No company has the right to put their clients at risk, and we feel that Curious Labs is doing this with their present security system. Again, Steve Copper has already admitted that Curious Labs is/has suffered money problems, and the past history of Poser is that it has been shut down more then not - (even if Curious Labs might be the original owners or not, without money there is no business). The consumer base for the product doesn't allow for any type of decrease in their customer base. And yet - already - we can see at least 60-75 people in the petition who will not buy Poser 5 because of one reason or another. Curious Labs can not afford to drop possible customers like this, and I for one would like to see Curious Labs survive, but not at the expenses of our consumer rights. A lot of avid supporters have asked, so what if they close, someone else will take over Poser. You may well be correct, and some other company might buy the software if the worse happens. However, can you guarantee the community here and now that this new company will not alter the software; will even continue supporting the software; or that you are 100% sure that Poser will be bought by another company at all. My question to you is, why take that risk? Why risk your hard earned money against an uncertainty. If Curious Labs do what we ask, and come to the table to discuss our concerns, and we organise a method of securing the end-users ability to use the software if they go bankrupt, there will be no risk for Curious Labs, or for the end-user. Again, the support message from Steve or any Curious Lab representative in these forums is not a legal binding agreement; no commitment has been legally made to protect the user if the company goes bankrupt. This commitment needs to be included in the EULA, so that end-users can know they are protected in case of bankruptcy. Many of these issues can be circumvented almost instantly if Curious Labs would start communication regarding the issues. There are also arguments from members of the community that if we dont like it, we shouldnt buy it. Yes, it is their software, and if we dont like it we dont have to buy it and most of us are not going to buy it. With present admittance of financial problems, and with the present results of the petition, do you think that Curious Labs can afford to lose the revenue that we do not present? If you do, then there is no way I can convince you to think otherwise, and I will stop wasting my time. However, it only takes 60 people not to buy a Pro-Pack Upgrade for Curious labs to loose over $7700.00. There is over that amount who has signed the petition against the security system. Maybe another 5 to 20 people maybe after reading this post, another 50 -70 in another couple weeks after reading the bug issues. Do you think that this lost revenue will not hurt Curious Labs? One is left wondering if us not buying Poser 5 is also in your best interest. I would think that if you really are supporting Curious Labs, you too would like to see these issues resolved, so that Curious Labs continues to produce fine and upstanding software for this community. And so that most people will buy the software and Curious Labs will be around to make a Poser 6. I do apologise for the length of this thread but I feel strongly that it is in the best interest of the community to get these issues resolved, before the unthinkable happens, and before the community is left with a worthless piece of software. We have waited long for Poser 5 let us not lose it now because of blind localism. Curious Labs please, open communication with us regarding our concerns and lets end these issues so we can worry about more important things. Like if Dork and Posette will try and kill off the new comers in jealousy (yes I too want to get back to creating) Yours WiNC