That makes Firefly (aka Stoned Sloth) one BIG bug. Wish we could SWAT it. In all fairness, it's not as bad as I once thought ... but that doesn't make it good either, unfortunately. Anyone try rendering raytraced shadows ... eiiyyii-yi-yi! Although, it DOES appear to render shadow maps better than P4 ever did ... will ahve to do some more tests. -Tim