Kelchris3, I'm with you, started with Poser 3, from the magazines and upgraded to P4 in short order, never heard a word about not using the menu functions! Seems to me THAT should have been in the manual somewhere. I've used them several times on the Poser 4 figures with decent results. Come to think of it though, I don't remember if I ever tried them on Vicki or Mike. Thanks for the info! mike