GreyBro - you're as entitled to your opinion as everyone else is to flame you for it ;o) Seriously, I'm not even able to BUY P5 yet (serial # trouble), but I'd still like to offer my stance - nothing like a reasonably fresh thread to mess up ;o) All software has bugs - we all know the tech and money reasons for it. Get pissed, then get over it, and get the bugs reported. Good developers don't write bug-free code, but they fix reported bugs fast. Poser became a unique app at v. 3, and v. 4 was out of this world to a figure-starved 3D community. There's still nothing like it, except DAZ' "mystery app" ;o) The CL gang coulda sold their skills and app easily when MC dumped them (look at the rudimentary "Poser" stuff in Cinema and TrueSpace). But they didn't sell - they hung in there. I'm not a loyal follower, I'll switch to DAZ' app if it ever gets here, and turns out to be a better one. But I still remember d/l'ing free P4 upgrades from whatever obscure server Kupa & co. could find for'em ;o) I figure I sort of owe them one. So I'll buy P5, bugs and all, and see how well they iron out the shortcomings before I decide whether it was worth it or not. And so far, bugs or no bugs, fits or no fits, I wouldn't trade my all-too-few years with Poser for any other hobby. I've been drawing and painting for 15 years before P3 seduced me, so I guess I could do my pix without Poser - but I can still re-boot a hell of a lot faster'n I can re-paint, if you catch my drift ;o)